I am endowed more than average and by moving up one size larger than usual, it accommodates my body without being to loose everywhere else. The looser fit in the waist and legs actually feel more comfortable, and it allows the correct amount of space in the groin where it is needed. It is difficult to find that combination without paying what I feel, is a penalty for be slightly larger with your Manley parts. I am sure their are several other men as I which would justify making them without a huge up charge. Thank you for taking that into consideration for those of us who need a little extra space without paying double to triple the cost. The separate pouch is so much more comfortable, very soft and no more sticking together. I have not warn them in the summer yet, however I have a good feeling that they will be more remarkable when the heat is on.